I’ll give you one guess on my ball flight given my handle…
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Right I’m thinking if it’s colder out the ball will be cold and won’t compress as much as on a warm day which would be factored into the initial ball speed.
Seems like aside from temperature it is as “condition neutral” as it gets
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Like @openfacelefty said, be prepared for lots of questions about the working of my new monitor when I get it. I am so pumped to exchange data with you guys.
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I won’t be able to do as much/often as you given the simplicity of the monitor and my likely more limited range time, but I’m already brainstorming things to track/test - including super speed results (already using but will be interesting to see how it goes)
I think the PRGR is most useful for SS because you’ll be able to track your progress with the sticks and then see how that translates to your distances/swing speed with driver (and other clubs)
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I’ve been using SS for 8 months off and on with no monitoring of speeds other than a time on trackman 5 or so months in but only thing to compare was swing speed from a fitting 3 years ago! I may be in the plateau but will be fun to track.
I’ll come up with some other things to report back on and happy for other ideas / suggestions.
Probably won’t be as frequent a user as @Bigdadenergy @Gisclairj but maybe can try some of same things.
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I’m trying to put together a training/practice plan. In researching the SC300 one of the cool things it does is it has a mode where you pick targets at different distances and hit ten balls (I think, @jon correct me if I’m wrong) trying to hit that distance, then after the ten balls it tells you how many were inside the target area. Really great distance control practice when you don’t have a full sim and can’t be outdoors. One of those things that always takes a little time to dial back in at the start of the season. Hoping it will keep me fresh to avoid that ramp up period we midwesterners/northerners have to deal with every year.
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I super interested in PRGR. Sounds like that could be one of the easiest ones to take on course so you get accurate measurements in playing conditions with the actual balls you use?
PRGR is on my want list, then I can get real feedback from whamming practice balls into my garage door!
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Yes it’s pretty small so it fits nicely in your golf bag
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I have first impressions with PRGR launch monitor and they are a bit contradictory.
- Wedges really have problems with measuring the ball speed when hiting high launch angle. I already have tripod so try to tilt PRGR upward but still half of those shots (54 and above) was not measured.
- Irons and woods looks OK with speed but it is some kind of weird about measuring the carry.
To be more precise:
Driver - measured speed 89-100mph club, 134-140mph ball and 214-230 carry. From my previous measurements on trackman etc. I think that real speed is about 88-93mph and around 1.3-1.35 ratio. In reality my drives have about 200 carry. So I think that PRGR shows little higher numbers about speed and carry.
i4 (GAPR mid from Taylormade) - measured speed 89-93mph club, 119-127mph ball and carry 180-197 ???. On golf course I usually have carry about 155-160. I understand that during my round I will not hit it as fast but even on the range(where I measure with PRGR) I dont think that carry was anywhere near to 180 yards.
i6 - measured speed 82-88mph club, 112mph ball (solid strike) and carry 159-164. On golf course I usually have carry about 145-150 yards with solid strike.
And now PW where I have exact data from Trackman:
Trackman - average club speed 75.2mph, average carry 97.4 yards
PRGR - average club speed 78.1mph, average ball speed 83.8mph and average carry 103.7yards
On course I use PW for aprox 95 yards shots.
So final results:
- shorter clubs looks very real as during round I do not hit that well and fast as during testing
- for longer irons it shows +10% and I don’t think I am able to hit that far even from turf without presure
- driver is probably same +10% off but it all depends on wind and attack angle (driver is very dependant on those)
- exception is 4 iron where difference is huge and shows numbers which are appropriate for my driver
and shows same results as 5wood. Maybe this GAPR was bad for measure and i4 selection is not good for this club
It all means that I am very mediocre player and numbers (especialy carry) are little optimistic
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Interesting, I’ll report back as soon as mine arrives and I can get out to try it. Supposed to be playing tomorrow so if it’s here I’ll try it on course. I don’t have a tripod and have a high launch with my wedges so worried it’s not going to work for me.
Surprised to hear about the full shots with iron/driver as most of the reviews have been pretty positive around the accuracy. Were you striking it well or having off centered hits which could be skewing the numbers compared to what you expected?
Also what conditions were you hitting in vs normal on course conditions - actual carry is going to be different than what the monitor says is if there is wind/elevation/temperature
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Were you using Trackman/PRGR indoors or outdoors? What kind of balls?
I would say the main limitation of PRGR for some players (I’ve dealt with a lot of people who used it at this point) is the launch angle window for wedges. Some people need to play around with the height of the unit and how far back it is. I think if you’re someone who launches it in that 35-40 degree window you might have some problems because the sensor is smaller and sometimes it just can’t see the ball.
If you’re using it indoors, the net you use can make a difference as well (this goes for any launch monitor). Sometimes it is difficult for it to track the ball based on the color of the net and how transparent it is, and what kind of backdrop it has behind it. If it can’t clearly measure the ball against a static background then some issues can occur.
In my testing, the PRGR was actually more accurate indoors than the FlightScope Xi, which sounds crazy but it’s what I found. It’s certainly not perfect but at $200 it is pretty darn accurate under the right conditions.
No launch monitor is perfect, I’ve actually had some wildly inaccurate numbers on Trackman indoors because it was overestimating my spin rates (radar-based monitors are not as accurate indoors vs camera-based ones). Every product has some kind of tradeoff built-in. For example, some will be more accurate with certain clubs in your bag. I’ve had people tell me in confidence what they know to be limitations of the enterprise-level launch monitors.
I used both trackman and PRGR outdoors (driving balls, mat and covered box) at same place different day. I will try to ask guy with trackman to make another session and take my PRGR to compare it together.
I don’t want to criticise this device just want to point at fact that it measure club speed and ball speed and with specification for each club it calculates carry and total distance. Even if you play in perfect conditions (horizontal, sunny day, no wind) only 1% of players will be shooting same distance as PRGR will show. This device cannot be as acurate as radars with 20 thousand dolars price tag
To put it in perspective (e.g. hit with 7 iron):
- PRGR will MEASURE club speed 85mph, ball speed 110mph. Than presume you hit perfect shot (ideal spin, launch angle etc.) and CALCULATE carry 145 yards (and with SAME ball speed it WILL BE always the SAME carry). In reality there will be once 83/107mph, low draw and result will be 130 yards to the left, second time it will be 85/115mph, high slice and result will be 120 yards to the right.
So if you NEED relatively accurate measurement for club and ball speed for low price (as most of us do) PRGR is perfect. If you WANT precise numbers affected by all angles and spins than you have to sell your new car and buy Trackman. ;D And even than numbers will not be 100% accurate.
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Very fair statement, that’s why I always try to temper expectations with these products. You can’t possibly expect the same performance out of a $200 product than a $20,000 product.
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I’m thinking either SC300 or Mevo for myself. The PRGR looks to be a bargain and easily portable, but I don’t really care that much about portability (I mainly want this for my garage in winter) and think I want a bit more data. I’m not too concerned with exact #'s as long as there is good repeatability so I can see if there is improvement. Would love a SkyTrack, but I don’t think I want to spend that much. If I had the room inside the house to create a really nice hitting area then I would probably do that, but a $2K launch monitor in my cold garage doesn’t seem right.
Anyone tried the Garmin g80?
My expectations are high for PRGR since I’ve never had any launch monitor! I can certainly keep it within reason and am excited to see what information it will give me. It’s certainly going to be better than no information. Any range feedback will be great, especially with wedges if it’ll register. I’m interested to see results from on course shots compared to where they went.
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I spent about an hour hitting balls with a buddy that has both Skytrack and Mevo+. The clubhead/ball speeds and even launch angle matched up pretty well, but spin rates and carry distance were off substantially. There was up to 600 rpm spin differences and 20+ yds of carry distance differences.
I think the carry distance was somewhere in between the two, but I still think the data is useful. No matter what you are using, it should give you a good baseline and also show improvement. My buddy is hopeful that the mevo works better outside, as it will be able to track the ball longer, rather than just the snapshot of using a net.
This same shot yesterday on skytrack showed around 273 carry with similar other launch and speed conditions. (also note it was a driver, not a 7 iron )
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I wasn’t in love with the Mevo for multiple reasons
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