Wedge Talk: With Jon and Adam

Jon asked for wedge questions for his podcast… @jon here you go:

Anatomy of a Wedge
People talk about BOUNCE a ton, but I don’t think it’s ever properly explained… What does bounce do, how is it measured, and what does it mean to have different amounts of bounce? How can you tell if you have TOO MUCH bounce, and how can you tell if you have TOO LITTLE?

I’ve split my two main wedges in bounce, one low and one high… That’s the Sieckmann suggestion, but I still tend to use them depending more on the shot required and less on the lie I’m facing… should I be altering my strategy?

GRIND. What is grind? WHY is grind? How much does grind matter, and when does it matter? I have a 286 54 wedge from Sub70 with minimal grind, and a more aggressively ground 58 JB… I use it to open up the wedge, but I’m not sure if grind is more useful other places… am I missing some secret on grind?

Leading Edge: I got asked this once, and it’s probably far deeper than we want to dig… but what’s the deal? straight, curved? Beveled? How much of a difference does it make…

Maybe more of a question for @Adamyounggolf Any experience with a player where you look at their wedges and your first piece of advice is to change them? What makes a wedge a bad fit for a player?

Anything you think people should pay attention to when buying new wedges?

I’ve recently moved to set PW and GW, with “fancy” SW and LW… I’m trying to hit most of my “power” wedges with my GW and PW and my “finesse” shots with my SW and LW… Any thoughts on wedge setup and when to use which wedges?

Technique: I think wedges are interesting because they basically require 2 different swings… Sieckmann calls them Finesse and Power swings…

Finesse swing, I really like the Sieckmann method… weight forward on the front foot, basically throwing the bounce into the ball… Obviously, there are plenty of other techniques… any suggestions on how to pick what works best or guidance on how to find a method that works? I was happy with my wedge game, but with a hurt back, decided to learn the Sieckmann stuff… It took some time and commitment… At what point do you think it’s worth it to learn a new system? If you aren’t going to commit to a new system, are there any universal truths people should focus on?

Power swing: This shot eluded me until recently when I got more on my toes with my stance… Specifically, the low height, high spin shot… this seems to take a decent amount of good technique… I have the time and desire to learn it, and think it’s better than the higher shot into the wind… Any thoughts on this technique? Any suggestions on how to master it? Is it worth the time for most people?

I think one of the big things I struggle with overall is picking the places to best spend time… I’m never going to have Phil’s level of control, and don’t need the arsenal he has… but what are your feelings about mastering a few basic techniques or learning a bunch of different ones? (and which do you think are the best to start with)

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Welcome to our 17-hour podcast on wedges everyone :joy::joy::joy:

We did get a ton of great questions on Twitter so feel free to add more here. I make no promises we will do any kind of smart organization of these :man_facepalming::man_facepalming::man_facepalming:

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I figured I’d go ahead and list everything banging around in my head… I can probably knock out some more, but it’d start to get weird…

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Being old school (from a different era) I used to grind my wedges myself. I still think I have my “Original R90” WILSON in the basement. I’ll post a pic when I find it. It served me well for years until I grabbed my Cleveland CG12s. We would put fresh tape on the bottom and swing on mats to see where to file down, It was a process. And you couldn’t mess up. Too much off and you couldn’t replace…LOL I loved messing with my clubs. I used to help some of my friends who couldn’t believe the difference in their clubs performance after I would manipulate for them…They’d be like “you can do that?” Everything today is fitted to your swing. Most regular people didn’t realize how much club manipulation went on back in the day. Those clubs make all the difference in the world in your scoring. I’d love to hear much guys even understand how to use bounce and grind to improve their wedge play. Thanks

That’s what it would have looked like before I grinded 1/2 the bounce out of it

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I have been playing for decades and never thought of doing this until now.
I will tell you when my new bounce grind project is completed.

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Try it with an old wedge first. Took me 2x to see what I was doing. I would not recommend doing with a cast club either. I never looked but I’m certain there is a how to video on YouTube. In my Clevelands I was able to buy specific Grinds and Bounces on these Newer Wedges. Today, you can test out the different grinds and you really don’t have to hit the grinding belt any longer or very minimally. Equipment has come a long way. Many golfers have minimal understanding of how to customize equipment to their swing. I am going to be way more consistent in my shot patterns than a golfer that does not customize their equipment. So when I tell folks I can hit my lofted clubs in a very consistent “circle of friendship” (what do they say to me better than the pros) I’m not better than the pros, but I’m better than you will be because my lofted stix are really customized to deliver a consistent strike everytime should my swing be fairly grooved…which after hundreds of thousands of swings, I hope it is. I guess that’s my CHEAT!

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@jon and @Adamyounggolf, I caught your podcast today on Wedge play, the 1st. Nicely done.

I’ve found that if I can simplify the shot somewhat (firm wrists, glide into the ball and full body rotation (the key)) then results will be pretty decent.

@jon, I also agree that around-the-green wedge play is almost all feel, or “mystical”. As I look at the environment, I visualize the shot, then swing; akin to Adam’s “swinging with intention”. Same for my bunker play. If you asked me how I pulled a shot off, I couldn’t tell you.

@jon, I have one question. I know you are data driven, but do you track your circumference of nGIRs? For example, X%is 0-5 yd from green; Y% is 5-15, Z% is +15?

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Tried to get back on the sieckmann train today… I’d stopped cocking my wrists… podcast served as a reminder to do so!

Getting a ton more height with open wrists.

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To be honest I don’t get too into the weeds data-wise on tracking stuff like that. Glad you enjoyed the episode we recorded the second episode last night so it should be out later this week!

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@jon, a well done Wedge II podcast. Good information and insights. Thanks to you and Adam.

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Thanks! Since we both like to talk SO much perhaps we will make some other episodes two parters where it makes sense :joy:

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