Everytime we wager on the course, that’s technically conduct unbecoming of an amateur too…Y…what is considered excessive? And you didn’t answer the question! I’m playing the course longer than the whites, but shorter than the tips. Closer to white than blue. I have to post something. Again, do you wager when you play? Probably to the tune of $50-60 with your playing partners. Using an auto format. Wanna play me basically even up for 6 holes you literally cannot compete against me. Basically u against, pick a pro. Wanna do that? I only play the one day a week? Do you, would you wager against someone that you 95% of the time have no chance to win a wager. You wanna call me a cheat too? How about we play a round of golf and all I had to do was putt from 20 ft or less every hole? And you gotta play from the Red Tees, I’ll cut u a break!
Like those odds? I hope you have deep pockets. Round of golf $70, Loss of wagers $100…Look on your face… PRICELESS! Every week too! For us, no wagers, no golf, it just isn’t fun. Ask Phil if he wagers? Ask Michael Jordan if he wagers…I’m posting a handicap at basically the white tees stretched 120 yds over 18 holes. I don’t get it! is wagering in the rules of golf? I guess because we wager on the course, I don’t know, 50 a man, we’re all breaking the rules. In my youth I made $300-400 a week hustling on the course. I won a $5000 wager once and got to play PVGC for the first time! Well worth it! Purists…and that’s ok, but you certainly don’t test your game! Wanna test your game? Play a simple $100 Nassau with no presses with only $50 in your pocket! Now there’s a test…been there, done that. Does your “home course” have an annual “Calcutta”…That’s illegal too if you participate… I forgot about that…the bidding alone is a drunkfest! One of the best things I learned when I was taught to play golf was how to get $$$ back after I dropped a deuce on the course playing gin rummy in the locker room. You guys are really missing the experience! So sad!
To the OP, I do apologize for really getting off track! I still say good for you, breaking par on any track is something to be proud of and know this if you hit it str8, you will score the same on any track if you putt well, probably up to a certain distance
My distance limit now is now about 6400-6500 yds, then I’m toast
Anyone breaking your stones that says you are not a 1 player, say ok I’m a 5 and take their money too…all the way to the bank!
To all you naysayers out there! Read it and weep! I just found out I’m actually hurting myself by taking a 20% whack in tourneys. From how I / we do it I should only be losing .48 of a shot! Can a golfer play a combo set of Tees? Any apologies now? Wanna keep calling me a cheat? THE USGA ENCOURAGES THIS!!! Yea,I want a cookie!
- If a player decides to play a combo set of tees while they are golfing and it is not in the GHIN system, there is a way to post a score that is acceptable. The USGA Handicap System not only allows, but encourages this.
https://help.18birdies.com/article/550-what-tees-should-i-play
The problem is that you are not posting a score that is acceptable and your pro seems to think he needs to make a very significant adjustment to make your handicap fair when competing in a club event.
It’s a problem to you! I’ve been ripping myself off! Now I know the USGA encourages this! AND I can post correctly which I did not know until I asked a friend who is a GHIN expert! So apologize! I guess none of us were aware! AND I went online and adjusted my scoring and I went from a 9.1 to an 8.6! Yea that makes a huge difference! (NOT!) You insinuated I was cheating! APOLOGIZE!
In spite of what 18birdies says, the USGA doesn’t exactly encourage this. The USGA does allow for “temporary” changes, and provides a table to help a club revise its Slope and Course Ratings based on yardage differences. I referenced this in Post #14, way back there. But nowhere does the USGA encourage players to essentially make up their own set of tees. If you really want to do things right, define the set of tees you want to play (i.e. back tees on 1 5 and 7, middle on the rest), ask your pro to get a proper CR and Slope for that set. All course rating data are maintained for each hole and each tee by your state or regional association, so its a pretty simple matter for them to calculate a “hybrid tee” rating.
CAN’T APOLOGIZE CAN YOU! “the USGA doesn’t exactly encourage this” what the heck does that mean not exactly? They either do or they don’t! My friend says knock yourself out…here’s how you adjust. You can post and the system allows for it …The difference on my course is 120 yds aggregate! You said I was cheating! You are WRONG…#1 it can be done (which I didn’t know), #2 stop calling people cheaters, #3 you have, in the past, called anyone that disagrees with a referees ruling a “whiner”, IMO you gotta get off your high horse. People like you make this game NOT FUN! ( and it is a game) by expressing your opinions and calling people WHINERS and CHEATERS! That’s not gentlemanly! Any opines on my excessive gambling on the course? People like me that play for fun and wager a couple shekels really bother you doesn’t it!
Here you go kinda simply!
Here’s how it’s done!. Golfer A plays 12 holes from the Whites, 4 holes from the Blue, and 2 holes from the Black. He adds the total yardage for the holes played and comes up with 6,400 yards. The listed yardage for the White tees is 6,200 yards. The difference in yardage between the Whites and the tees Golfer A played is 200 yards. The Ratings Adjustments table indicates that for a difference of 200 yards, the difference in course rating is .9 and in slope rating is 2. The regular White tees are rated 70.1/127. Since the yardage Golfer A played is longer than the regular Whites, he would add these numbers to the White rating. The “course” Golfer A played that day is 71.0/129.
For me…that adjustment was actually .48 of a stroke….APOLOGIZE!
- I said that you were not posting scores in accordance with the rules. That was accurate, as you have learned.
- Not once will you read in my posts where I say you have cheated. However, your posting habits resulted in a handicap higher than you should have had, as you have learned. You have corrected that.
- Please find anywhere in the USGA online publications where they recommend using the “Temporary” adjustment tables from Appendix G for anything other than temporary changes. For longer term use of “combo” tees, you can and should have that done through your state or regional Golf Association.
- I’m glad that you’ve learned what you were doing wrong before, and will do better in the future.
- I value the Rules of Golf, they make the game consistent for all of us. I value the Handicap system, because that makes competition possible between players of differing abilities. But neither works properly when individuals feel free to decide for themselves which rules to follow, and which rules they (individually) can break. If my “stickiness” around the rules bothers you, I can live with that. To me, effective competition between players of all abilities, playing by the rules, is what makes golf FUN.
You post your scores from the white tees, but you play the back tees (not even the blues, but the gold tees, two steps back) on something like 8 of the 18 holes, nearly half of them. Your scores will reflect the actual yardage played, so they will (almost certainly) be higher than if you actually played ALL of the white tees. And you claim that your handicap, the product of these higher scores, is somehow valid and legitimate, that you’re not cheating.
Here’s my suggestion. Next time you check in for a competition, tell the Committee exactly what you wrote down in this thread, and ask them what THEY think of your Handicap Index. I’m done with this, perhaps some of the other folks have an opinion.
YES you did! APOLOGIZE
And since you seem to be an expert all you had to say nicely…Did you know the USGA provides a way for you to adjust for that? No you didn’t…not even close… maybe learn how to teach and speak nicely to people and use your expertise proactively and stop calling people CHEATERS & WHINERS! We all want to play by the rules!
I’d say I did tell you that, even pointed you directly at the resource.
And I’ll apologize for using the word “cheat”. But you DID artificially inflate your handicap through your posting habits, and you have now corrected that. What word do golfers generally use for someone whose Handicap is artificially inflated?
Another bit of education, regarding gambling. The USGA recognizes gambling as acceptable, subject to some limitations. You can find more in the Rules of Amateur Status, here:
https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-of-amateur-status.html#!appendix
Like I said…1. you called me a cheater AND you said you didn’t. 2. Did you post or even come close to saying there is a way provided for you to post properly if you choose to move around and play different tees during a round? Like with an explanation that I provided above as to how you should do it…like walking and educating others on how to do it NOPE! …You just said AGAIN that I purposely inflated my index. a) not knowingly, b) and again you just said it again! "what word do we use to say someone that artificially inflated an index. c) I went online and did the adjustments to all my scores as my friend said I should…I went from a 9.1 to an 8.6… Like that makes a difference! It adjusts to a 9 either way! 3. Again, it seems guys like Phil, or myself that make a wager or 2 seem to really bother you…it’s not in the spirit of the game! So define in your mind what is an excessive wager? That’s not clearly defined is it? If I’m a millionaire is a $10000 wager excessive? Not to me it isn’t…because I can afford it and maybe, I’m playing other millionaires… Well you have fun your way and I’ll have fun my way and if you belong to a CC you will find there is alot of wagering going on! I used to run 2 Golf Courses as an asst Pro and I had to apply for amateur status and received it when I left that part of the biz & as CCM many years ago. My suggestion is to stop being so out and out RUDE and conduct yourself from a standpoint of…Hey dude…did you know you can post properly, that’s not the way you should be doing it…here’s how you do it. you really need to work on your communication skills
Yeah…they all clammed up! 
Still no Apologies! What gentlemen we have here! Also technically I didn’t even have to adjust if the diff is under 300 yards for 18 holes…But in being “honest” i did the adjustment and it came up .48! I went from a 9 to are we ready here…a 9. The length diff I play is exactly 120yds over 18 holes! Right off the USGA website!
If the difference in yardage is greater than 300 (150 for 9-holes), your golf club must contact the Allied Golf Association for assistance. (Appendix G, Rules of Handicapping)
I’ll post the relevant portion of Appendix G, for those who are playing a “combination of different sets of tees”, as that is where this thread has veered off into.
Note: If playing a combination of different sets of tees, a current Course Rating and Slope Rating must be available to submit an acceptable score. If the Committee in charge of a competition has used a combination of tees for a competition course, this temporary rating procedure may be used, but this procedure is not a substitute for a formal or permanent Course Rating and Slope Rating.
To reiterate, this procedure is not a substitute for formal or permanent ratings. You should ask your club to contact your state or regional golf association for the appropriate permanent ratings for a particular combination of tees, white tees on specific holes and blue tees on the remaining holes if I remember earlier posts correctly.
https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/handicapping/roh/Content/rules/Appendix%20G%20Golf%20Course%20Course%20Rating%20Slope%20Rating.htm
No need to there its…for us cheaters! Like I said I moved from a 9 to … let’s wait for it… a 9
Once my pal explained it to me, because he said mere mortals don’t know this crap AND explained in detail how it’s done…so a dunce like me can do it… It’s not difficult…and my buddy said you’re not gonna move that much! In your case moving up and down the tee boxes…so freakin what! It’s where the super places a tee box! Your course isn’t long enough for it to make any major difference! It ain’t movin your needle dude! to quote him directly! And just so you know…the people I know are major players in this sport! Ask my man Tanner who I hooked him up with! Maybe I’ll get you a note from Mr. Player! as in Gary! he’s another excellent dude I’m acquainted with!
To REITERATE! APOLOGIZE
If you read to the end, you’ll see the note I quoted.
I do have a separate question. I know that in Virginia, a player cannot edit his scores after they have been posted. That must be done by someone with access USGA Admin Portal. I know that because I’m the club handicap chair, and I have to edit scores occasionally for members who accidentally selected the wrong date or tee or something. Is that different in New Jersey?
Jesus man, you are a piece of work. I told you I have a friend who is a GHIN guru and we did it together. He said it ain’t gonna move your needle, but we did it last nite! I wanted to see if there was a diff! My pal is a bit different than you. He said why do you have to be like a tick on dog? Because, a) I don’t like to be called a cheat…that’s an insult! 2) I want a freakin APOLOGY
A GHIN guru isn’t necessarily someone who has access to the admin side of GHIN, it is a fair question, and you’ve clarified what happened. I am guessing you play at Pitman in Sewell, based on my research.
Going back, I did apologize for using the “cheater” word. The rest of what I’ve said is accurate, I won’t apologize for being accurate. And now I’m done, this detour from the original thread has gone on for far too long.
Yes my pal is an administrator…Yes that’s where i play. Yes 120 yds doesn’t move my needle there. I don’t care if what you said is accurate or not. You dont have to be mean spirited, you don’t have treat people like they are mud in your fairway, you can educate people in a nice way, you can explain to people how things are done and how things might be interpreted. You can handle yourself in a gentlemanly fashion! AND after you “apologized” for using that word that you said you didn’t use…in your very next breath you said this: What word do golfers generally use for someone whose Handicap is artificially inflated? So I’m not impressed! And like my pal said about me…you’re like a freakin tick on a dog…ya just can’t let go! I won’t forget it either. I never forget mean spirited people! I might wager a few bux, i might break some stones on the course, the 19th hole and the locker room…BUT I’m never mean to people, I try and help people, I tell people what has worked for me, I don’t tend to exaggerate, I usually allow players the benefit of the doubt. BUT I’m not mean and I don’t insult people and that’s what you did no matter how you cut it and the person you insulted was me whether you think or feel that way or not!
Seem to me that you should be upset with your pro. He’s obviously very suspicious of your handicap or else he wouldn’t feel the need to adjust it. A 20% adjustment is very significant so one of two things is happening here - 1) the pro, who presumably knows the course and your game, thinks your handicap is too high and doesn’t trust it to be fair in a comp or 2) the pro is an idiot and is being grossly unfair to you. Either way, it seems like your beef is with him not us.