Where does the USGA go from here?

Bryson’s US Open win might be a game changer. The conventional wisdom said no bomb and gouge at the US Open.

The shot link data says otherwise (according to Mark Broadie’s book “Every Shot Counts”). Bryson went all in (body, clubs, swing, strategy) with analytics and data and won the Open and has been in the top 10 all year - driver/wedge to par 5 from the deep rough!

The wiry, narrow grip, longball hitters like JT and Rory can get it out there, but can’t muscle it out of rough like Bryson and his axe handle clubs.

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To steal a take from the NLU pod, I hope bryson goes on an absolute tear to accelerate the technology discussion especially on the pro tour. good on him for going all in and it working though!

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I think there may be a paradigm shift happening right in front of our eyes. Just like when Jack hit the scene, then again when Tiger hit the scene…

DeChambeau made it happen with a complete game though. If it was the case that hitting the ball a mile will win all the majors, then all the long drive champions would be at the top of the FedEx cup also. It is not the case.

I agree with both of you guys. Bryson has good hands too. Tons of great feel shots and 40 for eagle, baby.

Arnie was also one of the first bomb and gouge guys - with a mason’s forearms…

If they dial back the equipment, my preference would be for it to be across the boards - not just a “pro tournament ball” - I’m not long, but I like playing the same ball/equipment as the pros. That connection is key to the game.

I saw a Twitter observation (I don’t recall the user) that seemed interesting: because of Bryson’s single length setup, his short irons have longer shafts and generate more clubhead speed than a shorter shaft would. So not only is he super strong, but he might have had the perfect setup for getting balls out of the deep rough with his high-lofted clubs.

I think the big mistake the “conventional wisdom” is making is that narrow fairways and deep rough penalizes the bombers. It’s the exact opposite. Narrow fairways means EVERYONE is in the rough more and those hitting from two clubs further back are at a much bigger disadvantage in that situation than they would be from the fairway.
If you really want to add more risk to just blasting it as far as you can, I think tournaments should look at adding temporary OB areas to the course. Imagine a 430 yard par 4. Right now Bryson might just bomb it expecting anything from 340-370. Instead, you could prep the course to have the fairway end at 320, maybe 20 yards of rough, then a 20-30 yard OB marked zone. Now, a big hitter is looking at a 370 carry. They might still be able to try it (and it would be fun to watch), but it adds a lot more risk. It’s that risk balance that keeps golf compelling, not trying to change the equipment or make courses near unplayable.

Have to completely disagree with playing the same equipment as the pros. I’m a 1 hdcp with fast tempo and high swing speed. I have the True Temper Hulk HZRDUS Smoke Green in my driver and even that isn’t what most pros are playing. None of us, outside the ball, are playing what they’re playing nor should we be. I can poke one out 330 from time to time and I score OK, but I shouldn’t be penalized as a 1-2 rounds a week guy because a handful of pros went to work and got super strong.

If they dial equipment back for the pros - which I’m not for, either - they better not dial it back for us weekend warriors.

If the game is too “easy” for you, move back a tee box.

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Going back to the original question, I’d frame the question this way: do we believe that radical steps need to be taken to courses primarily because 1) players are better or 2) equipment is better?

There is a broad contingent of golf Twitter that believes that 2) is the correct position (Shackelford, NLU, Andy Johnson, Clayton, etc.) Their position is that is is chiefly because equipment got out of control from the late 90s into the early 2000s that courses have become defenseless against the top players in the world. Thus, the solution to the problem of overpowered courses is rolling back the equipment.

There is an indisputable core of truth here.

That said, I still tend to be sympathetic to position 1. Specialized training and data analysis have revolutionized virtually every sport. Put the current Detroit Lions (unfortunately, my team) on the field with the Bart Starr/Vince Lombardi Packers. I would expect at least one player from the Packers to die in the course of play, and for the modern Lions to win by something like 50 points.

I intend no disrespect to early era of the NFL or, for that matter, to the classic eras of golf. And I believe that the greats of previous eras, with access to the training, etc. of modern times, would still be great players today.

But if there were no changes in equipment since the mid 90s, but training (not just physical, but also swing knowledge, launch monitors, etc.) increased as they have, I would suspect that the modern field of golfers would still greatly outperform the previous generations on an unchanged course.

I don’t see why that’s a problem. When track athletes get faster and break records, no one says that the track should be lengthened so that the times are consistent with previous generations. But in golf, when modern golf scores get low, we have to change the course to give the illusion that they’re no better than any previous generation.

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Bryson also putted better than the rest of the field… I’m very curious about his putting metrics, as he seems to have a distance system that is clearly working.

I think there are changes to be made that reward and require accuracy, I don’t think it requires limiting equipment any more than it is.

I don’t think Brysons success is just the fact that he ate a junior golfer… his entire strategy is different. I’d love to get a look at his shots at the open as I think he approached the course more strategically than most are giving him credit for. He knew what angle he wanted in to every green and it obviously worked.

Aside from Bryson, who was just far superior to the field over the 4 rounds, the U.S. Open was pretty much the U.S. Open. Everybody else in the field was at Even or worse, which is what Major championship scoring should be IMO. Applaud the man, not question the USGA.

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In answer to the original question; I don’t believe there is much need for change. While Bryson is currently the biggest hitter on tour (plus excelling in other areas), the tour is also riddled with other bombers.

Bryson through caution to the wind and took the course on; had other big hitters done the same, maybe we’d have had more players under par.

Was the course too hard? Maybe, but remember this is a major, I personally don’t want to see Driver, wedge on each hole in a major. I want to see someone do something above and beyond others to win, Bryson achieved this.

Yes he is polarizing, but we should embrace this as he has sent a message to the entire field that you need to reevaluate your game as currently it won’t beat mine!

I also believe the USGA shouldn’t change. Why aren’t we all wowed by Bryson’s performance.Shouldn’t we be lauding his game and his approach to the game. He has done the hard yards bulking up and now is reaping the rewards.

I think the USGA needs to focus on both cc’s and ball construction but realistically the R&A and/or ANGA will most likely lead the way on this. After all, other sports have variation, why not golf? Baseball has metal bats until the pros which use wood. Tennis has different balls for different tournaments (which have different court surfaces).

That being said, I think the major impediment is that golfers want to play the same equipment as the pros so the companies will fight on either the ball or club front to keep linking the pro game to the Saturday game. It will be interesting to see what happens and I suspect that if there is no institutional correction, then par will be lowered rather than the equipment changed (par 5s being made into par 4s, etc.).

This approach may well catch on on the Tours but it doesn’t really translate to recreational golfers. I do think it will affect how children are taught to play–swing hard and learn to control it later–but I don’t see how it will affect anyone over 40, which makes up the bulk of the golfing population.

Hogan makes good point - look at Webb in the top 10 and others who aren’t long hitters. Also Bryson was 5th in driving distance (wolff was 2nd)… Louis was 56th!

Yes distance helps but it’s not everything. It helps your odds to win but doesn’t guarantee it

I don’t think the USGA can put the cat back in the bag in terms of distance. Yes they can limit equipment, or the ball, but it won’t change the fact that all aspiring pro golfers are now training for speed. That doesn’t mean that “bombers” will only win. I don’t even like that term because Bryson showed an incredibly well-rounded game in his U.S. Open victory.

Very tricky topic though!

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I think there are a number of issues at play with the distance question, but here are two important ones to me. One, all golfers want more distance and club manufacturers see that. Look at how much further we all hit the ball now compared to 20 years ago. So, rolling back the ball for everyone won’t be popular with the average golfer (and isn’t the goal now to make the game more fun for all in order to grow it?). Two, if the USGA is going to continue to use the classic courses like Winged Foot, Oakmont, and Oakland Hills for US Opens, then creating a “tour ball” with some type of “governor” will almost be a necessity. I love seeing these classic courses on TV and would hate to see them become obsolete.

Some of it is in the course set up. There are a lot of logistical factors in this event.

This year’s US Open was odd. I talked to a guy at the venue. He said the USGA came in and told them to cut the rough down. They expected high winds over the weekend (that did not come) and were afraid - rightfully so - they would not get the rounds in with the (significantly) shorter days compared to June.

Narrow fairways definately doesn’t seem to be the answer. I always come back to the same idea which is that different tours or even events need to have their own ball that all players have to use.
Winding back the ball is just so much easier and cheaper than expecting courses to continuously lengthen to match the latest advances in equiptment.

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I’m not sure that bifurcation is a great solution either, much less a variety of different balls for different tours or events. What happens to the college player who qualifies for the US Open, does he have to change balls for just one event? My hope is that the USGA/R&A end up doing what the Distance Insights report suggests they’ll do, which is to limit further equipment-related distance gains.
Golf has changed over the decades (or centuries), its going to keep changing. I think the best thing is that we all learn to accept that the top players today don’t have to use the same strategies that the players had to use when I started playing 50 years ago. And scores will be lower, we’ll need to get used to it. They guy who shot 179 over 36 holes at Prestwick in 1860 wouldn’t have recognized the game the way Bobby Jones played it, Jones was astounded at Nicklaus, now we’re astounded at Dustin and Bryson and all the rest who can carry it well over 300.