Joining a Country Club

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#81

Around here the cost varies. There is a club not too far from me and about $1700 gets you unlimited golf. The place is ok, but always packed so no rounds under 5 hours. Other courses (like mine) are about $3K and a bit nicer and many rounds under 4 hours. A few are $10-$20K or more to get in and with more bills to come. Gorgeous places that make the rest look like shacks. I can’t see paying that when our season is so short, but I am not in that tax bracket.

My FIL belongs to a course that was around $150K to join. Gorgeous clubhouse with everything you could want. There are nearby places that cost more than twice as much join. That’s Scottsdale though with year round golf and your club members are retired athletes, CEOS, etc. That’s another world.

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#82

The Muni I belong to works like this. If you are a senior you can purchase a M-F walking yearly membership for $800. I still work so that doesn’t make sense for me. I purchase an annual resident card for $45. I pay a $30 green fee for the day—unlimited golf. I probably play around 40 full rounds a year and another 35 9 hole rounds (we usually play 27 holes every Saturday)… so $1200 a year. If you take a cart, it’s $13 per round. The course is a pleasurable walk. Some very demanding holes, some easy holes. We are coming up on 100 years old, I hope I live to participate in that. The clubhouse is beautiful, our pro is a class A professional, he runs a great shop, he is sweetheart of a guy and is a stickler for following rules, he answers questions, he runs the Golf Association, which I just wasn’t able to join this year; I have ZERO complaints and only praise. I know first hand how hard they all work to provide us with a great facility. The food and drink are top notch. They have very nice practice facilities. If they wanted to they could build another 9, but I’m not seeing that anytime soon. The fees have gone up a couple of bucks, but for me, as a senior, it’s the best deal around. The other courses around here are double to quadruple that with no senior discounts and they are packed. The private clubs around here are very nice, but outta my league in price point. I consider myself very fortunate.

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#83

Ok so not all of the US is pricey. At my club most rounds are 4 hours or less. I have had a horror 5hr round and also had a 3hr round when we had no one in front. That day we were a 4 till the 8th then a 3. On my own I have had a 2 hour 20 round. It all depends on the group in front and if they hold you up

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#84

Our Saturday 18 hole rounds are usually 3.5 hours. We play a second 9 and that avg of 2 hours. It’s a great day with my pods. We’ve been playing in the same group since 2005. My fastest round ever was with my uncle in 1989. I shot a 71 he shot a 74, we were first off, used a cart. We honestly weren’t rushing. When you shoot scores like that pretty much str8 down the shoot every hole. 1 hour 42 minutes. When I was working at the course years ago. We’d do quick 9 b4 closing in about 40 minutes. Last ones out. I don’t like 5.5 hour rounds, BUT no matter where I play it’s always crosses my mind, it’s better than work. Here’s another tidbit about our course. Bring your starter ticket in after the round and enjoy a pint on the house! It’s always a great day.

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#85

We have some reasonable ones only because the season can be short and they are also usually semi-private. Mine is semi-private as the town owns a chunk of the land and there has to be some public play. Most of the fully private ones around here are pricey considering we can go 5 months or more without golf.

I joined to get earlier tee times and shorter rounds, but I do like the tournaments too. I probably don’t play quite enough golf to justify the cost, but I enjoy it for the most part.

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#86

Mt Osmond would classify as a private club. We own the land thanks to a group of people in 1927 who bounded together to buy the land and build the course. Even though we are private we still take visitor bookings so anyone can play. Supposedly trade days help keep the dues down. Courses down on the sandbelt near the coast are much more expensive. We can see those courses and the coast from Mt Osmond up at an altitude of 400m. $2535 is a lot of money but I play 6x a week and don’t spend much else so I accept it. It is the closest course to my home and I can get there without going though any traffic lights. Stunning views and lots of wildlife

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#87

Thanks for all the responses to my rant :wink: It’s interesting the variety of types of memberships in different areas.

For me, here on the North Shore of Long Island, NY … with its generally well-to-do suburban neighborhoods … I didn’t think I’d join a private club due to the very big $$$.

But… the last two years we were really scrambling to get tee times at our area munis that we previously could often walk onto … and ended up driving up to an hour many times.

So… this year I looked around at nearby clubs and this one seemed … relatively! … reasonable on an all-in basis…

  • no capital assessments (initiation goes into the capital budget)
  • no F&B minimum
  • no locker fee
  • no shop minimum (actually do not yet know if the shop is the pro’s, or run by the owner Corp.)
  • reasonable push cart fee ($15; walk & carry N/C)
  • includes practice range, two small putting greens that you can chip softly onto, plus pool, tennis, year round workout room, indoor simulator (by appointment)

I fully understand the Corp likes to have catered events to generate revenue, but I just wasn’t expecting quite as many quite so often.

And hearing about the potential restriction on walking feels like a bit of a betrayal, really. Oh well… :man_shrugging:

As summer progresses I’ll try to speak with more walkers, hopefully some who have been there a few years, and try to get a feel for what they see going on.

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#88

ck— they really restricted walking on the course completely? We never restricted walking back when I was involved in Golf course management. You just had to pay for the cart, usually weekends and holidays until 1 pm. And, if you ended up in a 2some or 4some that wanted to ride, and there was no restrictions on riding carts…you tied your bag onto a cart and walked without carrying your bag or using a push cart. I found that, on a warmer day to be a godsend. I just walked to my ball and I basically had a caddy. Because I paid for the cart I could also jump on it to limit having to walk up and down severe hills. I’d like to hear what your course managers would say about that. Remember, CARTS are just a revenue driver, in summer they can turn up to 3x a day at like $15 to $20 a round. Do the math right… if they are about your membership and profits, those carts can really assist in keeping other costs down.
Thanks and good luck!

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#89

No! No sorry if that wasn’t clear - they’re now considering adding “some” (quote -unquote) restrictions on walking … possibly related to the tee times you can go out; eg. no walkers before whatever AM, or before whatever maybe PM on weekends.

It’s a whole 'nutha discussion, of course, about playing ready golf regardless of walking or riding … but in my observations both on munis and here at this club it’s all too often two people in one cart who can negatively impact pace of play…

*With the important note that GOOD players know what to do! But GOOD players with GOOD golf course etiquette are the minority… :frowning:

For the riding carts, they have a different schedule of fees for 9 vs 18, weekday vs weekend, and there is a slightly lesser fee for using a push cart. On a busy day there they probably turn over the whole cart inventory twice, so yeah plenty of recurring revenue there.

That’s fine - the carts cost them something to lease and re-charge and maintain; plus there should be something of a “user fee” to maintain cart paths plus turf damage in those spots where they all roll over.

Anyway, again my disappointment here is that I was given the initial impression that they completely welcomed walkers … anytime … (sidebar: IMHO golf courses should encourage more people to walk) … so if there are changes to the current policy that just seems unfair.

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#90

Carts can be fast if the 2nd person gets out to play a shot while the driver keeps going to his/her ball. When the cart drives from ball to ball that really slows them down. With our course being soggy they have painted a blue line around the course which carts have to stick to. If everyone followed this it would be ok but people are driving off the blue line to get to their balls and off the highline into the really soft ground.

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#91

Just to put things in perspective, here in AZ the cost of private clubs has sky rocketed . DC Ranch initiation costs ( market based pricing) are rumored to be around $300,000 with a 2-3 year waiting list. Superb facility but……
Desert Forest up in Carefree , a highly rated golfers golf course ( golf and clubhouse only) is going for $68,000 initiation fee with a 3 year wait list.
The monthly dues are something really special but I won’t bore you with that.

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#92

Should have the tracking function with the onboard GPS in the cart. Where the location of the cart could be monitored from the pro-shop. We have several golf courses have this monitoring capability and the GPS will issue a voice warning if the cart is wondering off the designated route.
Very useful especially in the Winter and Spring months when the fairways have soft turf.

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#93

It would be useful…if the GPS were accurate and if the geofencing was programmed adequately. Since often neither of those are true, it’s a reviled feature by many golfers. “I’m driving on the f^*$ing cart path! Why is it telling me to back-up, and it’s dropped to 1 MPH?!”

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#94

Our carts are standard electric one’s with no gps. All up to how much the person cares about the course. One round I played last week the cart in front never left the blue line. He would drive till he was ball high then get out and walk to the ball even if it was in the trees opposite. A bit slower but doing the right thing.Then you get young people and or visitors and they drive anywhere. Every year some idiot drives a cart up or down the bank between 14 and 12. About a 6 m drop and in winter gets water logged. The cart loses traction and slides down the bank tearing up all the grass and leaving deep gouges. That bank is no where near the blue line. All we can do is hope everyone does the right thing and hope the course doesn’t get too muddy.

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#95

Not sure if they use “geofencing”, I’d assume it is via satellite, same as the GPS. The places incorporated this feature were pretty wide open, not many old growth timber as famous for the NW golf courses.
we had tested it before, it is not monitoring all cart path but more accurate at selected spots, like sloped terrain or between the green and the next tee box… they know exactly where and when the cart pass certain point on the cart path. Also has the speaker connected to the pro-shop. Which they could assist in case of needing help, like in case of broken down.
If one intentionally violate the car-path-only rules, will get a warning, then they’ll send someone down to monitor the players in person. Have not heard anyone got escorted off the golf course, just yet, but know a few who got the “personal attention”.

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#96

DC Ranch is beautiful, but if that is true that’s a big jump in price. I wonder what some of the higher end ones are going for…I have to ask because I can’t afford them even with 3 years to save up lol

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#97

$300K for initiation? That number is still around the National Average for a house. Maybe a condo or a small townhouse around here.
I guess, some still have it, to splurge like that.
Same scenario automobiles. Used to be someone established and respected in the society will have a Mercedes, Jaguar, or even a Rolls Royce. Nowadays, they are as common as Honda. Saw a guy drove a RR to a local grocery store, not antique, a late model $380K coupe.
The thing is, not if someone can afford the purchasing price( or lease rate), but the up keeps for maintenance and repair after the warranty is over. At close to $400/hr. labor rate at our local German car dealership. It’s more expensive than a human physician’s rate.
I have a colleague, she’s older than I am, worked hard all her life and decided she wants to have a nice car before she could no longer renew her driver’s license. So she got a nice silver mid size M.B ( 300 something). Purchased with her savings. She loved the car, but always complain of how much it cost her each time it went in for service. She jokingly said, even for a routine service of oil and filter plus a few minor things, It’ll be minimum $1,200 before she can get the car out of the dealership. Much more for other major services.
So, One can join the country club, but how long could they stay in it?
Know a guy in our group who joined a local golf and C.C. with a nice 36 holes and other amenities( swimming pools, tennis courts, exercise room, nice dinning facility, bar and grill area…), he quit and could not get his equity back( been for sale for almost a year and he was paying the dues while waiting, so he surrendered the membership back to the club ). He said to me, it cost him about $4,000 per round of golf not counting on the initiation and other fees. I was puzzled; he explained that cost him about $8,000 annual due and he only had time for two rounds of golf last year so it cost him $4,000 per round of golf.
My family used to belong to several country clubs when I was growing up; I have none for myself since I have better place to use the resources by putting all my kids through graduate programs.
It is how one prioritize things in life.
And I must say, I envy those who could enjoy the country club life. It is not on my list of must have until I fulfilled other more important task in my life.

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#98

Something in the world of $300K usually wouldn’t be an initiation fee but usually a refundable bond that is refundable to you when you leave the club after 6 months. The club then has that cash to use as a source of making interest and as collateral when they borrow money for different projects. That seems skewed as initiation. Even still, it’s cash upfront that you need to play golf. Those kind of numbers are what will kill the sport. Personally, I do not want to see the sport reverse into an elitist pastime. I really love the sport, it’s history and our ability to play on courses where all the greats have played and maybe birdie a hole your favorite pro could only par! I grew up with Arnold, Lee, ChiChi, Gary etc. A lot of the guys (not all) really seem to have grown up pretty privileged. Y? No caddy programs anymore especially the private clubs.

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#99

First rule upon joining a country club: Never ever under any circumstances calculate the cost per round :joy: :joy:

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#100

The guy moved his business to Nevada. Probably joined other G.C.C. there.
$10K is nothing to this guy.

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